Welcome back to the Healing Pain Podcast with Campbell Will, Physiotherapist, Breathwork Educator
Breathing is such a natural and unconscious thing that we pay almost no mind to it. But by learning the right breathwork techniques, we can unlock a unique mind-body connection. Dr. Joe Tatta talks with Campbell Will, who delves into the role of breathwork in nervous system dysregulation. He discusses how breathing is tied in a person’s autonomic nervous system, how to use it to shift into a more sympathetic state, and the differences between breathing through the mouth and nose. Campbell also explains how he evaluates a person by examining how they breathe and the importance of the relationship between the pelvic floor and the diaphragm.
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The Role Of Breathwork In Nervous System Dysregulation With Campbell Will, Physiotherapist, Breathwork Educator
Campbell, welcome. It is great to chat with you.
I’m excited to chat.
I’m excited to get into a little bit of breathwork. We’re going to talk about it. Maybe we’ll do something experiential, which could be fun. As long as people aren’t driving, they can work with us. Maybe they can pull over or step off the treadmill if they’re at the gym or something like that. By training, you’re a physiotherapist.
I’ve been a physio for ten years, but then about six years ago, I started going down this rabbit hole that ended in the world of how breathwork impacts all the systems of the body.
How did you get started on that pathway or journey?
It was the Wim Hof Method. There was this VICE documentary of this crazy Dutch guy climbing mountains in the snow, and it piqued my interest. I watched that and thought, “There could be something to this,” but then it came from the practice. I sat down and did the breathwork. That’s my first experience outside of a yoga class where I’ve consciously manipulated my breathing. It was pretty impactful in that first session. I decided to do it again.
Over about one week, I was like, “I want to know more because I’m feeling different.” My energy started to change. I was sleeping better. Over the course of a couple of weeks, I started to lose a little bit of weight. I was becoming a bit less reactive and seemed to have more time. I’ve never looked back since. I often joked that the Wim Hof Method didn’t open the door. It kicked off the hinges. That was the first taste of it. From there, I’ve started to explore the full spectrum of what’s out there in the breathwork world.
How long have you been working with the breath?
Pretty consistently now for about six years.
As physios, we learn about the respiratory system, but you’ve definitely taken it to a whole much deeper and different level.
When I reflected on the five years of schooling I did, we only addressed breathing dysfunction in light of neurological injury. We didn’t start to explore it as a tool for healing, self-regulation, and mood regulation. When I started going into it, I tried to keep my clinical work and what I was exploring with breathwork somewhat separate because, at the time, there wasn’t that evidence-based.
As physios, we do like to live by that. It’s always the randomized controlled trials. For a while, I was keeping them separate but I found they started to integrate. My clinical practice vastly improved when I was able to manage more than just the presenting symptoms and start to help people with anxiety, sleep, and energy regulation. Over time, it’s blended a little bit more. We now do have a lot of supporting evidence to see how it can provide the results that it does.
How do you describe what breathwork is to a patient or someone who’s looking for some health solution or maybe even to a practitioner who’s starting to become aware of this?
My intention is to help people not create this separate bracket of breathwork existing over here. I like to think of everything as breathwork. That big sigh of relief we might take when we’re feeling a little bit flustered is unconscious breathwork. My body is attempting to self-regulate, and so is me sitting down and doing a more dynamic practice for 15 or 20 minutes. Whenever we are consciously controlling or using our breath for a specific outcome, we can term that breathwork.
Within that, there’s quite a wide array of tools and practices we can use. What I think most people see as breathwork is the Wim Hof Method or the conscious connected breathing, which is this much more dynamic, often hyper ventilatory. People get a little bit of an idea as to like, “That’s not for me,” but these little moments that we can take that do start to calm us down or slow us down are as important, if not more because we can do that anywhere we are at any time of day. We don’t have to wait until we can sit on the yoga mat for twenty minutes to do breathwork. I think we want to have a little bit more control throughout the day.
I love that because people think, “Yoga is breathwork.” It’s like, “Yes. In the yoga and mindfulness practices, there is breathwork,” but you can bring it in other ways. It’s part of our entire being. There’s a component of breath that is under our conscious control and there’s a component that’s unconscious. Are people surprised at that when they first start to work with the breath? It’s not something that people are aware of or think of 24/7 hours a day.
A lot of the resistance that I find is, “I’m breathing all the time. What do I need to do? What do I need to learn?” Breathing is very interesting. It’s almost a paradox that it is automatic, but it is also under conscious control. That simple shift of “Is my breath happening to me?” versus “Am I doing my breath?” comes from a completely different locus of control in the brain. That allows us to then step into the driver’s seat of the autonomic nervous system in a way, take it from autopilot, bring it back under manual control, and then direct ourselves where we want to go. Because it is something we do every moment of every day unconsciously for most people, we start to discount it as perhaps utility because, “I’m already doing it.”Breathing allows you to step into the driver’s seat of the autonomic nervous system, bring it back under manual control, and direct yourself where you want to go. Click To Tweet
They may not be doing it in a way that’s beneficial to their bodies.
What I often say is automatic does not mean optimal. As a physical therapist, a great example I often use is people walking all the time. It doesn’t mean I don’t correct their gate if they’re not walking well and if it’s not impacting them biomechanically. Just because we do something a lot doesn’t necessarily mean that we’re going to be good at it.
That’s a good analogy. Under this automatic control, we think of the autonomic nervous system. Over the last two years, people are starting to become aware of the autonomic nervous system, and what it is. How does breathwork tie into us regulating our own autonomic nervous system?
To me, the primary benefit of breathwork is what it does to the autonomic nervous system. We all hear of the sympathetic versus parasympathetic. It sets up this one or the other. When we look at it, it’s a bit more of a spectrum. Things can take me toward the sympathetic or parasympathetic state. If we think of the autonomic nervous system, it’s more or less like the operating system of the body. It’s the conductor of the orchestra. The breath becomes the remote control of that operating system. There are certain parts of the breath even that have a more sympathetic tone. If I breathe through my mouth, if I breathe quickly, if I breathe up into my chest, or if the inhale is dominant, those things are going to push me toward a sympathetic state.
Vice versa, if I breathe through my nose or if I take nice and slow diaphragmatic breaths and maybe extend the exhales, they’re going to lean me towards the parasympathetic state. Having that understanding of how I breathe is going to push me in one or the other direction, then I can start to have, “What state do I want to be in?” Am I going to exercise or play with my kids? Am I going to the board meeting or sit down and meditate?” That way I can choose what breath pattern is going to take me in the direction that I’d like to go.
I’m noticing my breathing starting to change as you’re speaking because I’m getting these little cues of things I should be doing or should not be doing as I breathe. I want to stop on this point for a minute because you’re talking about us having conscious control over our breath, which when we sleep, for example, it’s not under our conscious control. Throughout different life activities, it may benefit us to have conscious control of that.
It may benefit you to shift more into a parasympathetic state and a sympathetic state. You touched on a couple of things. For example, you mentioned exercise or maybe playing a sport. How could we use the breath to help us shift into a more sympathetic state and why would that be beneficial to an athlete or someone exercising?
Exercise is a great example. We can look at the nervous system state, but then we can also look at physiology. For the nervous system state, what we know happens with the sympathetic state is a state of higher arousal. My attention and focus are much more on the external world. I’ve got blood going to my heart, lungs, and limbs, rather than my digestive tract and reproductive system.
When we think of, “Where do I want my blood flow and oxygen delivery to be going?” It’s the muscles that we’re using. That’s where being in a more sympathetic state is probably beneficial in exercise, but also looking at the delivery of oxygen and removal of waste and maintaining my aerobic capacity is very dependent on my ability to retain the right amount of carbon dioxide.
We all see people go and exercise. I start to breathe in and out of my mouth. That does two things. It pushes me higher up the state chart in a more sympathetic than perhaps I need to be, but it also offloads a lot of carbon dioxide, which is very necessary for me to deliver the oxygen to where I need to go.
In exercise, I like to people to think of it almost as a rate-limiting factor. “How far up this sympathetic state do I want to go? How far do I want to push or do I perhaps need to control my breathing to stay in a more conducive state to be here a little bit longer?” We see this boom-bust. The excitement of the exercise is like the start of the game. I go out of the blocks pretty quickly and hard, and then I crash. The lactic acid builds up. That can often be prevented by controlling breathing in that beginning state and having a bit more influence over where my breath is going.
For example, an athlete may modulate their breathing throughout a game. If they’re getting into the game and just starting, they may want to shift more to sympathetic, but if they’re on the bench for a while, they may be able to down-regulate and modulate what’s happening in their body.
The analogy I often get is if we look at something like martial arts where it’s 1 or 2 minutes of something very intense, and then I’ve got maybe a one-minute break. In that one-minute break what I do is very important. Usually, if we sit and let our breathing happen, we’ll stay in that heightened state of arousal versus if I can try and slowly bring my breathing back down to what would be considered parasympathetic, I restore the chemistry. I shift myself into recovery even if only momentarily but better get into recovery for a short period of time than not at all.
I might bring myself back into that state of higher arousal to perform again. That performance-recovery switch is important. Outside of that example, I go for the run for 5 miles. How long am I huffing, puffing, panting, and perhaps breathing uncontrolled afterward? Whereas I could just push my nervous system into a recovery state pretty quickly. I’ve shifted from performance to recovery. I’ve started to divert the blood flow. I’ve shifted the priority from action to recovery.
Anyway, we can give people a little bit of control over their health is important. As you’re talking, there’s a lot of consciousness and awareness that has to be brought to someone’s breathing. You have this breath thing. You have a diaphragm. How do you start to bring awareness around that?
Awareness is my favorite word. I would teach breath awareness the same way that I would teach postural awareness. Breath awareness and improving your breathing are not about trying to be conscious of every single breath that you take. If you take upwards of 22,000 every day, it’s not going to happen. When people do have that idea of, “Now I need to make sure that every breath I take is right,” it becomes this overload and it’s not possible. In the same way that I don’t instruct someone that you need to have “perfect posture” all day every day. It’s not going to happen.
It’s more about recognizing when I default into a non-optimal pattern. That might be through the biomechanical lens. If someone places one hand on their chest and one hand on their tummy, they can feel their breath moving up into the chest, collarbones, and shoulders. That’s not as efficient as breathing with the diaphragm. It’s just using the accessory respiratory muscles and has an impact on the nervous system. It’s that little checking and seeing, “I’m breathing up a little bit higher than perhaps I need to be,” then rerouting and breathing back into the lower lobes of the lungs into the ribcage.
The same thing. I might notice that my mouth is open. I was concentrating on this task or writing this email and I’m breathing through my mouth. I noticed that I close my mouth back to nasal breathing. Those little cues and responses start to carve out this neurological groove that simply makes us more aware, “I do catch it when my breathing moves higher into my body or when I start breathing through my mouth.” Rather than having the idea of, “I have to be aware all the time,” I want to know what to look for and use that as a little reminder of, “Let me take a moment and check in. I’m stressed. I’m breathing quickly or shallow. Let me do something about that, and then get back to the task at hand.”
You mentioned mouth breathing a couple of times. Talk to me about the difference between breathing through your mouth versus breathing through your nose and why that could be important for someone.
It’s huge. This thing on the front of our faces is not just for aesthetics. It serves a very important evolutionary and biological function. It’s filtration. When you start to dive into the complexity of the nose, it’s pretty fascinating. The air comes in and we’ve got these tiny little microscopic hairs. There are more hairs on the nose than there are on the top of our heads. That’s the first line of our immune defense and filtration. We’re trapping pathogens in the mucosal lining. We then can also mount an immune response through immunoglobulins in the nose. We have these turbines that start to spiral air, humidifier it, and then mix it with this interesting molecule called nitric oxide, which is produced in the paranasal sinuses. It’s antibacterial, antifungal, and antiviral. It’s a potent vaso and bronchodilator.
How intricate the human body and mother nature are. Our body cleans the air, humidifies and warms it, and it starts to relax my blood vessels so I can extract the oxygen and remove the carbon dioxide. The moment I open my mouth, I bypass that entire system. The air goes straight into my upper airways and into my lungs. Now the sillier my lungs have to work to get all of the stuff that we can’t see that’s floating around in the air that’s not meant to be in my lungs.
This can come up as phlegm, coughs, and chest irritation. The nose is important. Arguably, we should be breathing with it 99% of the time. Unless we are talking, eating, or drinking, the mouth should be closed. That’s how it’s been for a long time. That started to change. We can look at different causative factors. Maybe it’s a change in diet, change in jaw structure, and environmental influence, but we’ve got control over that. I can close my mouth and start to breathe back through my nose. The more I do that, the easier it becomes to maintain.
It’s always amazing when you get into the physiology of the body and how incredible our human anatomy and physiology are, and how they work together. There are people who have impairments, conditions, and dysfunctions. If you’re evaluating someone, what are some of the things that you’re looking for on a more clinical level?
I start my assessment before I start my assessment with observation. If I’m sitting and talking to someone, I’m spying a little bit. You’ll understand the same thing as most practitioners do. If I say to someone, “I’m going to look at your posture now,” all of a sudden they float tall and their shoulders come back and they’ve got a great posture. If I say to someone, “I’m going to assess your breathing,” we typically know that it should be slow, smooth, and rhythmical.
While I’m talking and someone is listening to me, I get a much clearer indication of what their baseline breathing looks like. What I’m looking for is, “Are they breathing through their nose or their mouth? Can I hear it?” If I can hear someone’s breathing sitting across from me, it’s telling me that they’re working pretty hard at what part of their body is moving.
If I’m seeing their shoulders go up and down, I know that they’re not driving their breath from the diaphragm and that’s probably where I’m going to start. I like to look at three lenses, the biomechanics or what’s happening as I’m moving the air in and out of the body. Physiology is much more the biochemistry of what’s happening once the air is in there, and then the nervous system. Am I breathing in a way that’s pushing me perhaps into a non-optimal state?
Through subjective and objective assessment, we can paint a picture of, “Is someone’s breath helping them or hindering them?” From there, we are trying to personalize, “Do we need to address biomechanics and physiology, or do we need to give you tools of self-regulation?” For most people, we get a little bit of all. I rarely find someone that’s like, “I only have an issue with biomechanics.” Let’s say I’m not fully using my diaphragm, that’s going to impact my physiology and nervous system. It comes down to where we start rather than which one is the cause.
It sounds like you have your own evaluation assessment built around breathing and the respiratory system.
It happened out of necessity. People were coming to me as the breathing physio. I was getting patients referred to me with anxiety. I wanted to put together a framework of I know what I’m looking for, but can I make it repeatable? Something I teach my students is whether or not you’re a physio, a massage therapist, or a health coach, we can assess someone’s breathing. If you’re not assessing your guessing. We see the rise in popularity of something like breathwork, and we see a very much one size fits all approach, “Go and do this practice.”
The Wim Hof Method should be good for everyone, but we know that’s not how the body works. You are different from me and your breathing is different from mine because your physiology, history, nervous system, and body are all different. The art of being able to assess and tailor an approach to someone based on that assessment far outweighs that, “Here’s a practice. It should help.”
Let’s try to make some connections for people around certain health issues. In this show, we talk a lot about pain. How could breathwork help someone with chronic pain?
It’s a wonderful question and important. A lot of this comes back to the autonomic nervous system. Coming back to that point we touched on earlier, where it often gets portrayed as sympathetic or parasympathetic, fight or flight, or rest and digest. That idea is somewhere on the spectrum. We know state change. The more sympathetic I am, the more it changes things. What am I paying attention to? What am I thinking about? My pain threshold.
When people are in that heightened state of sympathetic arousal, I’m much more aware of the problem. Whether that be physical pain, environmental, emotional, or psychological, my whole nervous system including my mind or what I’m thinking about focusing on is much more attuned to what could go wrong or what is going wrong right now.
It’s very hard for people to think of something else, move their attention, go and exercise, move, or do some of the interventions that are likely to help because they’re stuck in the pain. They are stuck in a sympathetic state. A lot of times, we try and use our mind to get out of that state, “I’m going to focus on something else. I’m going to be positive. I’m going to look here,” but my mind is a reflection of my nervous system. If my nervous system is in that heightened state perhaps because I am breathing shallow, fast, or a little bit ragged and chaotic, then I’m going to find it hard to use my mind to shift my body.
What breathing allows us to do is calm the nervous system down. Let’s come out of that state of heightened arousal when my body doesn’t feel threatened where it doesn’t feel like it’s amidst the stress response. It can start to shift me to a lower pain threshold. It can allow me to move my attention. It can allow me to see opportunity rather than a problem because the nervous system is no longer in this threat response.
Would that be similar to things like anxiety and depression where you’re looking maybe through the same lens?
It was probably the fault of René Descartes, this philosopher and scientist in the 1500s that separated mind and body. We’re still following that idea from 1502 or something, where there is this separation. Everything now and at least my perspective points to we can’t separate those two things. If my mind is in a certain state, it’s because my body is in a certain state. It’s not independent. This is quite interesting that I feel anxiety. I ask all the patients to tell me if they have anxiety, “Is your anxiety mental, physical, emotional, or a little bit of everything?” Some people do have very physical anxiety. It’s the heart palpitations or the clamminess, “I feel tense or I feel claustrophobic.”
For others it’s very mental, “My mind is racing. I can’t shift my thoughts.” What if we use a tool that addresses the underlying system rather than trying to focus on our mind or physical manifestations? What if we try and balance the nervous system? Can we recalibrate the nervous system in a way to get to a state that feels a little bit safer and balanced? Often the mind and the body are then going to follow suit.
What I like people to understand or point out is breathwork is not a replacement. At least I don’t use it as one. It’s a complementary tool. When I can shift out of that state of heightened arousal, I notice, “This internal narrative that’s playing is not helpful to me now.” Now I’m in a state where I can objectively notice that, but while I’m in that heightened state of arousal, that’s what’s happening. It’s hard to identify that my thoughts aren’t helping me here.
Also, vice versa. I’m in this state of heightened anxiety. I might be tensing my body, my jaw might be clenched, and my posture might be telling me to be anxious. Until I become aware of my breath and slow that down, then I can drop my shoulders and loosen my jaw. These things that maybe I wasn’t aware of because I was in such a state of high arousal are now becoming a little bit more obvious. I can take that next step and work my way out of these states that are non-optimal.
It’s a nice brain-body connection that you’ve made here. That’s always important that we can talk about that brain-body or mind-body connection. It’s interesting because as you speak and you’re very eloquent with all of this, it’s also very different than some of the pain education and the CBT things that are happening with regard to pain. Those are very head-oriented things. They’re not focusing too much if at all on the body. You’re saying, “Let’s bring the body back into the equation. Bring the whole nervous system back in, not just the brain. Let’s see how people feel with regard to their anxiety or how they feel with regard to their pain.”
It’s not one or the other but let’s bring a bottom-up approach along with the top-down approach. How could that not be more effective to address both sides of the equation? Most people have been given the tools for their minds like CBT, talk therapy, and positive intention. Most of them are trying to use the mind and perhaps not aware at all of the body, which can be as much of a driver if not more in some circumstances. That idea is if my nervous system, my posture, and the bottom-up things are saying stress and anxiety, then I’m going to have a hard time using my mind to convince my body otherwise.
If we look at the relationship between the brain and body, there’s a whole lot of information going from body to brain. If I don’t address that, it’s like I’m using the 10% to try and influence the 90% versus, “Let me use 100%. Let me use the tools for the brain and the mind, and the tools for the body so that they’re all saying the same thing, which is I’m safe.” That’s going to be much more effective than trying to use the mind to convince the body.There is a lot of information going between the body and the brain. If you don’t address that, you’re just using 10% to try and influence the 90%. Click To Tweet
We are in a very brain-centric world. We are in a very brain-centric pain world, especially. Going back to anatomy and you look at the way the nervous system is set up, your body is informing a lot of what’s happening in your brain. Some of the newer embodied cognition and perception work talk about that. You mentioned bottom-up. I want to go almost all the way to the bottom, but not quite. I want to go to the pelvic floor. What is the relationship between the pelvic floor and breathing?
I always like to paint this picture so people can follow along and draw this diagram in their minds. Our breathing behaves like a cylinder. The roof of that cylinder is the diaphragm and ribcage. We then have the abdominal wall transverse the multifidus as the walls to that cylinder, and the floor of that cylinder is the pelvic floor. All parts of that cylinder have to work together. Breathing is not in isolation if my diaphragm just moves up and down.
As the diaphragm descends, the walls expand and the floor drops. The respiratory diaphragm in the pelvic floor has a very similar role. Diaphragm goes down, the pelvic floor drops to accept that change in abdominal movement. Diaphragm ascends which helps the pelvic floor ascends. We have this integrated relationship that my diaphragm and pelvic floor are working in tandem to control intra-abdominal pressure. That’s how we breathe.
There’s a lack of understanding that your lungs don’t do the breathing. They’re passive balloons. It’s a change in pressure. My intrathoracic, intra-abdominal, and atmospheric pressure are all working together to move air in and out of the body based on high pressure to low pressure. One of the most common dysfunctions we tend to see in breathing and pelvic floor in that relationship is this hypertonicity where my pelvic floor is not dropping and relaxing to accept the diaphragm.
Now it’s easier to breathe up here into the chest and the shoulders because I don’t have that movement or that capacity to expand down low. Whether that’s postpartum or I’ve learned to brace, I do way too much intense core work, and I’m failing to recognize it, that’s meant to be a malleable expansive part of my body, not this brick wall that doesn’t move. In a happy world, the diaphragm and pelvic floor are always talking to each other and moving together.
Between your diaphragm, your pelvic floor, your intestines, or your gut, many people struggle with IBS. They’re trying all sorts of diets, pills, supplements, and things like that. Have you had people say to you, “Since I’ve started to learn this breathwork and how to modulate my breath, not only has my digestion changed but I don’t have IBS or pain anymore?” With that, a whole bunch of other things follow up.
I’m glad you brought this up because I’m a physiotherapist. I’m not a nutritionist. I’m not a dietitian, but I’ve had enough clients that amidst our conversation, they didn’t come to me because of their dietary issues or digestive distress, but it comes up in a subjective assessment. When we look at the role of the diaphragm, breathing is just one component of that. The diaphragm is the center point of our body. In a good healthy person, it should move about 10 centimeters. That’s a big range of motion, 3.5 to 4 inches. It descends and massages the abdominal contents. Independent of that is the nervous system. When I’m in a sympathetic state, I have less blood flow to my digestive tract and fewer digestive enzymes. I’m not in a state conducive to digestion.
A lot of the clients that I work with tell me, “I eat my lunch while I’m sending the email or listening to the podcast. I’m a little bit too busy, stressed, or rushed.” It’s the implementation of, “Let’s shut your laptop, step away and do some down-regulating breathing for a couple of minutes before you eat. Nothing crazy, just some slow extended exhales.” I get them to wait for salivation. When we start to salivate, it’s a clear indicator that I’m shifting into that parasympathetic state. I’ve had numerous clients now that we’re going down the food sensitivity testing, “What am I reacting? Do I eat this food? I’m bloating. I’m cramping.” They couldn’t find what was the culprit.
It’s not the food that you’re eating, it’s the state that you are in while you’re eating it. That’s true of many things. By being able to use their breath to shift themselves into a state that was conducive to digestion, all of a sudden, their food sensitivity and their digestive distress went away. The more mechanical issue of massaging and moving the abdominal contents, and the blood flow that occurs with diaphragmatic movement are important, but also the state that it puts me in. Coming back to the appropriate state for what’s going on, am I in a board meeting or am I trying to eat my lunch?
Rest and digest are important for people, especially with IBS. People are spending money on all sorts of tests and then you realize, “Let me work on my second brain, which is my enteric nervous system. Let me get that to relax.” There’s a mechanical component that massages your organ so that food starts to move around, then there’s that physiologic component like enzymes and nerves turning on or shutting off.
It’s important that people start to make those whole-body connections, which you’re making. It’s been wonderful talking to you. I know we could probably go on and connect to everything. I’m going to have you back because I want to talk about the breath-heart-brain connection one day. I’m going to invite you back in six months or so. In the meantime, I want people to check out your work and follow you and get to know you a bit better. How can they learn more about you?
I’m definitely in for round two. I think we can have some wonderful conversations around these topics. On social media, I’m most active @BreathBodyTherapy. For the practitioners or health professionals out there, I’ve started a free education hub on a platform called Skool. It’s called the Breath Network. This is from seeing and working alongside lots of different practitioners that don’t have an understanding of, “Where do I start with breathing? I’m not a breathwork specialist, but my patients are breathing and what advice can I give them?”
If you’re a health professional, it’s a free community. You can reach out to me on social media. That’s the hub that I want people to be able to access to have a little bit more clarity on what breathing does and what they should look out for. If people do want to go to that next step, I do run a certification and training for health professionals looking at the assessment and treatment of dysfunctional breathing and the therapeutic application of that as well. It’s called the Breath Network. The platform is Skool.com/TheBreathNetwork.
You can follow him @BreathBodyTherapy. That’s your Instagram handle.
I want to thank Campbell for being here and talking about breathwork. If you are into breathwork or don’t know anything about breathwork, make sure to check out his work and his website, and then share this episode with your friends and family on Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Instagram, or whenever anyone is talking about breathwork. We’ll see you in the next episode.
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About Campbell Will
Campbell is a registered Physiotherapist and Breathwork Educator and has combined his passion for the breath with his knowledge of anatomy and physiology to develop an education system that teaches people how to optimise their respiration, and how to use it as a tool for improved health and well-being. His journey has been one of passionate curiosity, exploring the wide range of breathwork practices and the underpinnings of human optimisation. He teaches not only the principles of optimal breathing, but also the therapeutic application of specific breathwork protocols.