Dr. Joe Tatta: Welcome back to this episode of the Healing Pain Summit. I am your host, Dr. Joe Tatta. Today we are talking about Lyme disease. Could your pain come from an undiagnosed or untreated case of Lyme? My host today is dr Jay Davidson. He is a doctor focusing on a natural functional medicine approach. He’s also a popular speaker, number one international bestselling author, husband, father, former radio talk show host and church elder. Dr. Jay hosted the chronic Lyme disease summit in April 2016 and is also a cohost of the detox project, which starts September 26th of 2016 dr Jay Davidson is admired for his ability to bridge the gap between the scientific health community and the layperson. You can find out more about him at www, dr Jay davidson.com dr Jay Davidson, welcome to the healing pain summit. It’s great to have you here. I’m really excited to talk about Lyme disease today.
Dr. Davidson: Well, thanks. Thanks for having me, Dr. Joe. Man. I’m excited to talk about this.
Dr. Joe Tatta: So, you know, my first question has to be, you know, I have a lot of friends who are chiropractic physicians and most of them don’t go to chiropractic schools to learn about Lyme disease. So I’d love to hear about, you know, your story and how you got involved in, in lives of deeply.
Dr. Davidson: Yeah. Yeah. I definitely, um, if you had asked me, you know, 10 years ago, I wouldn’t have ever thought I would be doing what I do now and, uh, it’s really all just come from my wife. Um, so, you know, we went to, um, chiropractic school actually together, uh, got married while we were in school and came out open practice and you know, really help the community and, and busy office saw over 600 visits a week there for awhile. Um, basically just, just the two of us. So, you know, there’s really not necessarily a need to, you know, move outside of the corrective chiropractic world, you know, um, beyond spinal correction. But, um, my wife, she got pregnant with our daughter a little over four years ago and basically she got really sick. Um, she gave, she had a tough pregnancy, gave birth to my daughter, and then, uh, that next couple months, three months was just really tough.
Dr. Davidson: She, um, you know, basically stuff hit the fan and she had to stop breastfeeding and um, just couldn’t recover sore, you know, in chronic pain, uh, inflamed, allergic to everything and dropped her baby weight really quick. And, and uh, basically in the back of our, our mind was, what about this thing Lyme, cause she had Lyme disease when she was seven years old and now fast forward, she had our daughter on her 30th birthday. Uh, they’re both 4th of July babies. So, you know, fast forward 27 years, uh, our 23, sorry, 23 years, you know, forward. It was like, what about this thing? What about this thing called Lyman? And basically from that point forward, it just completely shifted my focus. So I guess maybe to backtrack a little bit farther, my wife, she was seven years old apparently before that great, healthy, you know, no issues, doing awesome as a kid.
Dr. Davidson: And then all of a sudden she got sick and the medical profession didn’t understand what was going on or what was wrong. They gave her medications, uh, all of a sudden she got brain encephalitis, swelling of the brain, and then, um, basically went into a coma for about six weeks. And then during that time, her mom’s like, I’m hearing about this thing called Lyme disease. And she grew up in Madison, Wisconsin. So Midwest is a hot zone, just like the Northeast in the United States, but ticks don’t know borders. So it is affected, you know, across all 50 States and across the world. But, um, so basically from that point forward, she was on oral antibiotics, IVF antibiotics. She had a couple heart ablations done, uh, for super ventricular tachycardia. She had horrible dizziness issues, allergies, I mean, just the list of health issues. This went on. And it was almost like, you know, before she ever got pregnant with our daughter, we were doing things for her to get by, but she never really wanted to necessarily rock the boat. And then when my daughter came, uh, dr Joe, that that was just really the tipping point. And then from that point forward, basically my whole focus was to get her well and then, uh, she got well and then all of a sudden, you know, people started hearing the story and then that kind of brings us to today.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Yeah. And that’s a tremendous story. And you know, the first thing that comes to mind, and I don’t want to get too detailed in a, in an immune discussion, but what you’re basically saying is that the pregnancy probably was the trigger to make the line worse or to kind of, you know, resurface basically.
Dr. Davidson: Yeah. Yeah. I mean you have, you know, your two arms of the immune system, your th one th two and usually the first half of your pregnancy, your th one dominant. And then the second half of the pregnancy for surely like the last trimester, it switches the th two dominance. And then after you give birth, that goes back to th one. So I think there’s definitely a lot of autoimmune issues that get brought up after, uh, not only during pregnancy, but even after the labor process. Um, you know, cause the body’s just doing whatever it can take or whatever it can do to really have a healthy little one develop. And then afterwards it’s kind of like, okay, now it’s recovery, now it’s healed time. And, and I do believe a lot of autoimmune things do come up from that.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Yeah, that’s a great point. So I live in New York city, which is kind of New York, New York state, Connecticut. It’s New Jersey. It’s really kind of ground zero for Lyme. And you’ve already mentioned the Midwest, but talk to us about kind of just the geography of the country and where people should be, you know, obviously very concerned and where people should kind of be on high alert as far as Lyme goes, where it’s not so common, but there’s also still a possibility.
Dr. Davidson: Yeah. Well, inevitably it comes down to the question too of, you know, how can a, a couple of family members get, you know, somebody get diagnosed with Lyme. And then other family members do maybe the same test and they come up positive too, but they don’t have any symptoms. And, and I think, you know, lime is, lime is probably prevalent, prevalent. Um, CBC just recently in the last three years came out and said, hundred thousand people now are affected with Lyme each each year are diagnosed. Now the interesting thing is they were looking at about 13 States and of those like you’re basically including, you know, Connecticut, New York, I mean a lot of the North Eastern States. And then also, uh, some Midwest, you know, Michigan, Wisconsin is big area. Minnesota is a huge area. Um, so I mean that’s really the most prevalent as far as areas is, is Midwest.
Dr. Davidson: You know, Minnesota, Wisconsin maybe smell annoy Michigan as well too. And then the Northeast, which of course you have, you know, Lyme, Connecticut, which is where the, the disease was actually, you know, diagnosed or the name basically came from. But even, you know, it’s interesting like where I’m at now in California, out of all the counties that are in California, they found, um, ticks basically in every single County in California, I think, except for two of them. And then about 80% of the ticks that they found actually were carrying Lyme or Brelia, uh, of those two. So no matter, I don’t, you know, I don’t think it really matters the sterily which coast that you’re on, but obviously prevalence wise, yeah, the Northeast like where you’re at, dr Joe huge. And then, uh, the Midwest for actually grew up in where I, you know, had my chiropractic office in Wisconsin. There is a really big area as well too.
Dr. Joe Tatta: So, you know, the, I guess the, the next question would be for clinicians who are not so in tune to Lyme, so obviously they’ve seen people with joint pain, chronic pain, um, you know, other autoimmune related diseases and, and, and symptoms. What should people be on the lookout for as far as symptoms that point toward and under underlying Lyme disease or, cause,
Dr. Davidson: yeah, I mean that’s really the million dollar question. You know, Lyme is a clinical diagnosis. So where everybody wants a test, let’s do a test and see if I come up positive or negative. There’s not 100% test. So it’s definitely a clinical clinical diagnosis. But you can use testing like eye genics or eye spot lime or something, you know, to help try to give more insight into it. But I guess, you know, if some things that ring true in my brain as soon as I, you know, uh, see somebody struggling, I guess things that were all my mind will go right to lime is if they’ve been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which isn’t exactly, you know, the most scientific diagnosis. It’s like, okay, chronically fatigued, um, fibromyalgia, which of course is pain all over the body for really, you know, unexplained reasons kind of the medical world will, we’ll say.
Dr. Davidson: So if you’re diagnosed with chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, if you’re diagnosed with autoimmune, something like lupus, RA, ms, multiple sclerosis, you know, a D myelinating disease. My brain from a clinical side always rule, I’m out. I’m not saying it is always lime or that Lyme is that, but always rule it out and it can be a combination. But as far as like from a symptomatology, and I think this is very relevant for your, uh, you know, healing pain summit that you’re hosting with, with all the other experts as well too, is pain that moves all over the body. So give an example, let’s say, Oh my gosh, shoulder hurts this morning, my left shoulder and Alison, my right knee hurts and now it’s my hip. And then it, it moves to different area. It’s not like, you know, one area that constantly is in pain or maybe the pain disappears, but it comes back, you know, on that one area that’s, you know, that that could be an injury, right?
Dr. Davidson: You could’ve, you know, damaged your rotator cuff or you could’ve did something to actual shoulder itself, but if you have pain throughout the body and it kind of pops around in different areas, first thing that I always think about is Lyme in that case as well too. So I think, um, quote unquote the, you know, moving arthritis is probably a good one. And there are certain line points actually Lyme disease points. Um, examination wise like, so if your um, if you’re feeling your sternum, you know, which is basically right below your clavicle, right where the uh, ribs come into the sternum. If you’re pushing on that area and it’s very tender, not just tender but you touch it and you, you know back away cause it’s so tender that could be a sign of Lyme. That’s kind of aligned point is that front sternum area and then even the right AC joint.
Dr. Davidson: Um, you know, basically the where the, the end of the clavicle meets your, your shoulder, the right, right. ACM on your um, on my left right now cause my Mike’s blocking the right one. But uh, you know, if you push on that and it’s not just okay, that’s a little sore. It’s like when you push on it, it’s, I move away because it’s so tender. And of course you have to rule out making sure you didn’t like, you know, tear apart your shoulder and damage your shoulder from a different injury. But if there no external injury to the shoulder and that right AC joint is tender, that could also be aligned. But, uh, you know, aligned diagnosis. But I think the important thing to look at is Lyme can have over 150 different symptoms. So somebody’s presentation, uh, that comes, you know, to myself, uh, and then somebody else and let’s say they both quote unquote have lime that not always going to correlate. So there’s definitely a lot of gray area, which I think is why it’s so confusing and why they really say Lyme disease is the great mimicker, you know, the new great imitator or the new great mimicker, um, of, of conditions.
Dr. Joe Tatta: So, you know, you’re talking about, you mentioned tests a couple of minutes ago and I think, you know, if someone thinks they have a lot in, the first thing they do is they go online, they do a little search and they get these pictures of people with these, you know, red rashes and bulls eyes, um, bullseye rashes. Those don’t always occur. So if you don’t have that and you want to get some tests done, what should I, what should a patient ask their physician for? Because not every physician would run certain tests basically.
Dr. Davidson: Yeah. Yeah. So there’s, you know, there’s a standard, um, testing, which is called the two tiered method that the CDC basically recommends and the IDSA, um, you know, recommends as well too. But it’s interesting because the two tiered method for Lyme disease never actually was ever intended to be a clinical diagnostic tool. It was solely intended for a population observation method, but somehow it got into this like clinical gold standard realm. But research shows, and let me back up. Two tiered method means you run an Alliance though and then in fact comes up positive. Then you do a Western blot. And then if that comes up positive, then maybe you, you know, maybe you have Lyme disease or you know, or you’re quote unquote positive. Uh, but obviously there’s a lot of, you know, doctors not always wanting to diagnose that because of, you know, medical, the politics in the medical world as far as, you know, quote unquote treating Lyme or dealing with fine.
Dr. Davidson: But, so if, uh, the two tiered method, basically stats show that that is 40 to 60% inaccurate. So if you’re to think about doing a coin flip, right, Joe, I mean, you could, you could guess it half the time, 50%. I mean, you could almost get better results by doing a coin flip then doing the two tiered method. Um, which, so I, so I always steer people away from that. There’s other companies like hygienics that use, um, they do basically the Western blot, but expanded with certain bands and things and a little more in depth. Um, they definitely get some criticism from the outside world saying, Oh, they’re, you know, they’re not validated and all that. And I think they’re a great, great organization. I think there’s a lot of livability there. They can also do co-infection testing. Um, I would say my, you know, my test, I would favor clinically and I just, I’ve just, I get so frustrated.
Dr. Davidson: I guess speaking personally, I get so frustrated cause I just want the tasks, right. Like dr Joe, what’s the test? This one and it’s perfect. It’s like no, there’s not really perfect. You know, my wife, she ran the, so the eye spot right after she gave birth to my daughter Leila, you know, over four years ago she ran the eye spot tests that had just came out and it was a previous thing before and then it kinda, they upgraded it and then changed the name. So it became the ice spot. We ran that and she basically came up as a 77 a and a 77 is positive, but also an acute phase. So just from an ice spot, Lyme testing standpoint. So the testing, uh, the company’s called neuroscience and then they’re like subsidiary lab test companies called pharmacy in with a pH pharmacy and labs.
Dr. Davidson: And then they have a test called I spotlight iPhone, the letter I and then spot. So we ran that test and over 25 is positive. Uh, but 77 is obviously way higher and in the acute phase like mime is going on. And so obviously went to the cause detoxed, uh, heavy metals, killed the pathogens, fuel there, God, you know, calm the autoimmunity down, all the pieces to her puzzle. And uh, we ran the test, it was about a year and a half later, so it was may of, let’s see, this would be may of 14, I think it was about, and she now only came up as a negative, but she was actually a zero. So under seventeens, you know, negative but zero is obviously like as n****s you can get. And so I liked the ice spot because of like what my wife went through and it showed, you know, the before and after. But I don’t think that’s really a perfect test either. So, um, I guess if you were to, you know, pay me down and say, what’s your favorite test? I would say the eye spot line test. But clinical examination, history, you know, symptomatology. I think that’s really, um, you know, the most important piece.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Yeah. And I’m, you know, I’m listening to you talk about different tests in there, you know, efficacy basically. But one of the things I have to wonder in question is why is the Western blot really the only thing that traditional medicine runs? And if you’re kind of negative on that, they, they say, well, you’re, you don’t have lung disease. I mean to look at, you know, other, other things.
Dr. Davidson: Yeah. It’s, um, I think a lot of money. So like the IDSA, so there’s a couple of different groups in the, in the, in the Lyme world you have, Oh, and maybe we’ll just separate it. So we’ll have, we’ll say CDC, IDSA, and then the AMA, the American medical association. And then you have this other group called the eye lads. And the eye lads is more about under more about recognizing, Hey, there actually is chronic Lyme disease that exists because these other organizations, they don’t even really necessarily want to admit that crime chronic Lyme disease exists even though they say Lyme is, you know, um, is, is prevalent and it’s out there. They, you know, you should have two, three, maybe four weeks of doxycycline antibiotics. And then if you’re not cured, it’s not lime anymore. It’s what we called post lime and it’s, you know, um, other symptoms from something else or from the treatment.
Dr. Davidson: So there’s definitely a lot of, uh, politics that get involved with this. And basically the IDSA that set the guidelines for treatment and recognizing Lyme and saying, yes, there’s a cute line, but no, there’s not really chronic Lyme. And what are the treatment guidelines you have to follow. You know, most of those people that actually sat on that board were funded by lab testing pharmaceutical companies, you know. So inevitably dr Joe comes back and says, follow the money, you know, follow the money. And unfortunately they kind of set the guidelines and now it’s, you know, it’s, it’s a quite a, quite a war, um, from a political, you know, standpoint.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Yeah. Well I think it’s great that you’re, you know, educating people to let them know about obviously what Lyme disease is, how it’s treated, and obviously the options for protesting. They’re out there. But let’s talk about some obviously treatment options because there are people who are going to watch this video, they’re gonna figure out, Hey, maybe I do have, you know, an underlying chronic Lyme issue. What should they do as far as treatment goes?
Dr. Davidson: Yeah. So if you’re, you know, so just to separate the words acute from chronic, I think that’s an important verbiage and important words to use is acute is okay, you get, it’s technically stung but you get bit by a tick and then you develop a bullseye rash and now you’ve got acute Lyme. Um, that’s where, you know, the, if you want to go down the route of antibiotics, that’s where that would probably be the only case I would see clinically that would be important for that. You know, doxy cycling and you know, do at least, you know, six weeks of that to basically blast the acute. Now here’s where the complex comes in. Cause I’m not really a huge fan of prescription drugs, let alone you know, antibiotics with, you know, as much as it’s being overused in our society for the last, you know, 20, 30 years.
Dr. Davidson: But, um, the question comes in, okay, let’s say you do get stung or bit by a tick and you do get bullseye rash. What’s the say? You didn’t have Lyme before that too. Like maybe you’re reactivating something that was already in the body. So now all of sudden you start getting into question. You know, is it really acute or is it chronic? So let’s just say for easy example, you get bit by a tick or sung by a tick. You get a bullseye rash which only shows up in 30% of cases. So if you do get a bullseye rash, that is a telltale sign of Lyme. But if you don’t get a bullseye rash that does not rule it out, cause 30% again is not good. You know, gambling or betting odds. Um, but let’s say you get a bullseye rash, then you’re an acute.
Dr. Davidson: A chronic would be okay, you get Lyme, maybe you didn’t know it, right? You never got a bullseye rash or maybe you got it, maybe your mom passed it on to you when you’re in the womb. Uh, cause it’s been shown to pass through mothers, you know, best basically breast milk. It’s been shown to pass on from, you know, mom to daughter in, in utero. Uh, there’s definitely people that say it’s sexually transmitted, kind of like syphilis, you know, cause it’s a spiral QI type disease. So there’s many ways that you can transmit it. So let’s say you get into the chronic phase where now you’ve had it for longer than just a couple months. Now we call it chronic Lyme and chronic Lyme is really the place. I mean, I, I don’t think antibiotics are the answer because if they were my wife being on them for a couple of years, Ivy and oral, she would have never had any of these health issues that proceeded afterwards.
Dr. Davidson: So, you know, I take a look at it from my wife’s, you know, wife story, and then obviously the clients I work with. So when you’re looking at Lyme from a chronic standpoint, the focus is always about, well, how do I kill the bug? Right? How do I kill the Borrelia? Except it’s probably more accurate to say that you have pathogen issues. Because anytime that there’s lime, like the Barellia, which there’s over a hundred different strains in the U S there’s over 300 strains of the Brelia bacteria across the world, which this is reason why testing makes it so hard from a lab testing is there’s so many different strains of the Brelia a bacteria. But let’s say, let’s say you’re, you know, going to, you want to kill the Lyme bacteria. There’s always other bugs that go along with it. There’s co-infections like Mycoplasm that causes walking pneumonia and you know, coughing issues.
Dr. Davidson: There’s parasites like Babesia, which Bubbies Tia will cause we’ll give you night sweats at night. It’ll cause heart palpitation issues. Uh, there’s a, there’s a bacteria coinfection called Bartonella, which Bartonella loves the brain. Um, there’s Ehrlichia, you know, you have all these different bugs. HHV six, you have Epstein BARR virus, um, you know, which is definitely getting more popularity from that New York times bestselling book. Um, the medical medium or our medical medium book. So I mean, you basically have all these, all these bugs. And so I think our focus has to be all about not only killing pathogens and not just a bacteria, right? Because like a virus, antibiotics don’t touch a virus. So now all of a sudden you’re, you know, you’re limited on your tools. So it’s all about, you know, killing pathogens as a whole. But the key, and I think this is the biggest takeaway point that I definitely want to, you know, let the listeners of the summit know is it’s all about dealing with the body as a whole.
Dr. Davidson: So my wife had leaky gut, she had auto immune issues with specifically the thyroid. She had a stage three adrenal fatigue. She had heavy metal toxicity, mercury and lead. She also had Lyme disease with co-infections. And that’s, you know, most likely like Babesia for instance. Um, and Mycoplasm came up on testing before, so she had all those issues. So if the goal was just to kill the bug or the bugs, you know, what’s going to detox heavy metals, what’s going to work on fixing the gut, what’s going to work on balancing the immune system, the autoimmunity. And I think this is where you just have to step back and say, okay, what do I need to do as a whole to heal my body so that my body can have health? And when my body has health, that’s when it can, it can fully get well.
Dr. Davidson: So if the goal is just to kill the bug, I think that’s where we missed the boat. And if it’s about really getting the body well as a whole, that’s I think really the golden ticket because inevitably that’s going to get you well and only get you feeling better. But getting to keep you ever from coming back, you know, into that state. And that’s really where, you know, the book that I wrote called the five steps to restoring health protocol was burst out of. It was just to tell people like, Hey, if you have chronic Lyme, right or suspecting co-infections are lying, you can’t just kill the bug. You got to get the body well as a whole. So really have to just take a holistic approach, you know, in that manner.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Yeah, I think it’s great. I mean I’ve seen patients who’ve been on multiple rounds of antibiotics and they have not seen any movement in their symptoms and usually the treatment stops there unless they go to someone who’s, you know, more functional or integrative or your naturopathic physician and they see some other options. Um, all right. I’d like to ask you a question cause you did a whole summit online. So you know, after you do at summit, there’s always kind of a big, you know, weave of information. So what are some of the take homes that you had from that summit as far as the information that’s available as well as the response that maybe patients had toward it?
Dr. Davidson: Yeah. Yeah. So it did, yeah. Hosted a chronic Lyme disease summit. It was April of 2016 and we had a little over 30, you know, 31 32,000 people that participated and really great feedback, you know, broaden experts all over. And I guess the, the goal of that was to give hope to let people know, Hey, there is, you know, there is hope to get well, there is hope to heal. Um, but you know, huge takeaways was kind of what I was just saying is really work with the body as a whole. You know, from understanding like if you’re on desk doorstop, there’s great Ivy treatments like high dosing, vitamin C to start getting the body going, but it doesn’t, you know, there’s, there’s not a miracle treatment. There’s not one thing you’re going to do. And especially for every case that’s going to get somebody, well, it’s figuring out individually what you need and then addressing all those pieces.
Dr. Davidson: Um, so maybe, maybe you have mold toxicity of a biotoxin mold and Lyme mold usually makes people susceptible to Lyme and getting line, you know, maybe you’re working in mold or living in mold, that’s going to be an area that you’re going to want to work with. So we had, you know, somebody talking about mold and understanding, testing, know the…Testing and the VCs testing and, and your understanding that, um, Ivy treatments I think are a great option as far as like nutritional LEAs speaking like Ivy vitamin C just to get life into people that are just, you know, there’s obviously a, an extreme case where people are lifeless and just on their death bed. You know, Ivy treatments I think are a great option for that. Um, had got experts talking about the foods that you should consume, right? To drop inflammation and, and just allow to have a good, good microbiome environment.
Dr. Davidson: Um, had people talking about the autoimmune, you know, the th one th to the different tools that are available, like using frequency technology. You know, so I think, you know, takeaways is if you’re having chronic illness, whether it’s Lyme or not, you want to look at all what are all the natural tools that are available and what are going to be the ones that are gonna move the needle the most. You know, so whether it’s doing like supplements or herbal formulas, that’s a tool, right? The food you ingest. I think that’s super important. I would rather have people change the food, you know, they consume before, you know, taking supplements necessarily. Cause you don’t want to rely on people to take supplements instead of changing lifestyle and dietary recommendations. So food they consume or rural herbal or nutritional supplements. And then also you’ve got this whole world of like frequency technology.
Dr. Davidson: You know, like if I had a, if, if I had a wine glass and I was an opera singer, which I’m not, God God did not bless me with the singing voice. But you know, if you can sing in a certain octave, it’ll resonate and it can shatter that wineglass you know, if it’s, if it’s high enough pitch and basically that frequency resonates with the frequency of the glass. And essentially that happens to within the bacterial and viral and parasite world, uh, in parasites, extra big, our biggest U2 in the lime lime community as well too. But especially if you have a dairy allergy, you want to think parasites and want to work with, you know, dealing with parasites but utilizing frequency technology that can literally, you know, um, be an accessory treatment to basically destroy these bugs. You know, viruses, pathogens, co-infections. And so depending on your case, it’s really figuring out what’s going to move the needle the most.
Dr. Davidson: I would always say, you know, food is the first thing to start with. Nutrition. Herbal things is the second thing. And then if you need to, you know, you can always recruit, recruit the frequency technology. But my big takeaway from the event was how much the mental, emotional stress that we’re under daily, every day plays a role with our health. Whether it’s, you know, emotional trauma that we had in the past that we were, you know, robbed at gunpoint or molested or you know, never good enough for our mom or dad or you know, whatever to even things that are going on now, right? Relationships, stress, things like that. Kid stress, you know, spouse, stress, whatever that is, job stress, you know, those, that emotional piece is such a big piece of it. And so you can, you know, detox all the metals you want. You can kill all the pathogens you want, but if there’s still emotional trauma that’s been in the past that hasn’t been dealt with, or emotional things going on now, or even both, you know, you’re going to hit a plateau. And so really making sure you all those things is really what I believe is going to take somebody to the, you know, highest level of health.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Yeah, that’s a great point to, to kind of culminate there. And it seems to be a through line in many of the interviews I’ve done in this summit, especially regarding pain, is that, you know, the, the, your thoughts and your emotions can really be that, that the one thing that really drives your, you know, actually your chemistry to change and cause inflammation and cause pain and a whole host of diseases that we, you know, associated with in today’s society. Um, you also have a detox, uh, something coming up. Is that correct?
Dr. Davidson: Yeah, yeah. So it’s a, it’s called the detox project and it is launching September 26th, so it’s coming up very soon. Um, yeah. And basically we have about, you know, 30, 35 experts in the detox world. I’m talking about toxicity exposures to, um, you know, everyday toxins that were around environmentally how to detox, you know, from the sire level and just even cutting it, you know, the cutting edge tools that are available from, you know, saunas and, and, and water and, you know, contamination, all that stuff. So it’s a definitely an exciting, exciting, um, project. And I think an important one just with the toxicity load, because really toxins creating inflammation, inflammation is really a cause of pain, you know, so some ways chronically suffering with pain, there’s going to be chronic inflammation. And so it’s identifying what’s causing that inflammation and toxicity and toxins can be something Lyme, right? Pathogens can be part of that too. And even the emotional traumas, emotional stressors can be part of it as well.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Yeah, that’s a great point. On my summit, I’m going to have a physician, her name is dr Ann Shippy. She’s a primary care functional medicine physician. She’ll be talking about toxicity and mold actually related to pain. So it’s a great point. So please check out Jack, dr J’s detox, but can you please tell everyone how they can find out more about you and, and the, the project you have coming up?
Dr. Davidson: Yeah, yeah. So the detox project, you can just go to the website. It’s the detox project.com. Uh, so the detox project.com, that’s how you can get signed up for that. It’s free events as well. So you can check that out. September 26th that starts, and then the best way to get in contact with me is just my website. Uh, so it’s just my name.com. So it’s dr D, R J J a Y and then davidson.com so dr J davidson.com is always the best way to get more information. And I’ve got like, you know, lime ebook and some information on there as well.
Dr. Joe Tatta: Awesome. So I want to thank Dr. Jay Davidson for being on the healing pain somewhere to talk about Lyme disease. A really important topic. Hopefully you’ve got a lot to take home, so make sure you hit the share button down below this video where you can share it on Facebook, you can share it on Twitter, it’s great information to share with your friends and family and check them out at DrJayDavidson.com and we’ll see you on the next episode of the Healing Pain Summit.